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Banned at red state...tsk tsk

I guess Big Gator5 gets his way. Seems that if you are attacked incessantly you are not allowed to defend yourself over there. I hope they reinstate me but if not...oh well.

Maybe I should just stay over here where I'm welcome.

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c17wife's picture

via the contact form. I asked for a 24 hour time-out and stated that I thought Gator was being an arse.

Now, I want the upside down banners to come off. For everyone, at least on RS.
If Steven is okay with them here, then fine. But on RS, we need to at least appear cohesive. The general election started today. Our number one goal is to keep Barack out of the WH, with or despite Johnny Mac.

Hop on board. We need you.

aceintx's picture

especially because Gator made such an issue about it. It's never been about being divisive and you can check my posting history and see that I've been at least as thoughtful and forward thinking as anyone on the site. I'm not real keen on sticking in an echo chamber anyway!

I'm mad at myself for allowing Gator to bait me that way. I kept saying I was out of it but to quote the God Father..."Every time I think I'm out, THEY DRAW ME RIGHT BACK IN!" and I let him get his way...I'd like to know if he was banned as well?

As far as it goes...if they reinstate me I'll be happy to post and have the fun I've had there...I'll miss the friends I've made and find somewhere else to hang out. I've got some friends here so I won't be a stranger and ask that you don't either!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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Brian Simpson's picture

Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
c17wife's picture

He was being an A**!
I guess I need to write Erick about that too.

c17wife's picture

have the final say.
Anyway, no banners/sigs on RS 3.0.
I've been on it quite a bit and it is sweet. I hope you can come back.
It's time to come together on Johnny Mac. We don't have to like it, but he's our man.
If you can't say anything nice....well, you know.
Focus your energies on great conservative articles and hold our nit-wit reps to the fire. But either get on board with JM, or pledge to stay silent if they let you back on.
Take care!

aceintx's picture

restrict it to a bunch of Johnny one notes I have no objection...I've already left the site on my own once...they're not the only game in town. Maybe I'll start posting to Town Hall or something, if they'll have me.

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aceintx's picture

I've gone out of my way to stay away from McCain and concentrate on Congressional Republicans. You can read my latest one here. It's been bumped to the front page. I did one on the Bible's symbolism of the Body of Christ and plugged in the different legs of the Republican Party. My basic thesis in it is that each faction of the Republican Party is interdependent and will die without the other parts. I think the title was something like, The body of Conservatism and I think it's posted here as well.

So I'm much deeper than many think and I've unfairly gotten tarred as a McCain hater and because I supported Huckabee pretty stridently early on. I also stepped on a lot of the moderators toes because I didn't know who they were...If I could make a suggestion over there I'd suggest they add a "mod" tag to their screen name so someone knows who they are opening up on.

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c17wife's picture

recommended it, and posted a comment.
Excellent blog. It is still there. It just got shoved by new ones.
Aaron just left a comment as well.
I have also written in to Erick and asked for Gator to be banned as well, if they do not reinstate you. He smacked at you on the first comment on your diary and that was so NOT cool.

aceintx's picture

in several posts linking to BG5's attack posts on me as well...

Really though, I don't want you guys getting into trouble advocating for me. I'm mad enough right now to tell them to take the site and shove it because I'm sick of being bullied for not towing the party line!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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c17wife's picture

Didn't want to get drawn in.
He was being an ass and several are noting it.
Trouble? Me? Please, let them ban me. It would save me hours and all my buddies are either here or at Hickpol anyway. Except becker and I have his e-mail.

Jaded's picture

I am not to conservative when I see jerks getting away with the crap Gator was getting away with in his post....because I damn well know if it were me taking on someone in a post and calling people out by name I would be banned.....and I mean really his whiny butt quit there and came back like some beaten wife and he gets away with that crap....it just pissed me off.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

till I took mine down and didn't stick by that as well.

He actually sent me an email with a tag he wanted me to ise and I told him in very Un-Christian words what he could do with it

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c17wife's picture

He lets me cuss and be crude. And whine about people.
It's full of wimen folk. He loves us.
http://hickpolitics.com/

aceintx's picture

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Jaded's picture

Thanks for the heads up and I will be seeing you there ;-)

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Really? I think I like that site. Especially since it has the wimen folk.

Hmmm...I have always thought about going over to Kos and engaging one of their crude posters just so I would have the opportunity to peel the paint off the walls of their little slum, but maybe Hick Pol would do....

DocJ's picture

If that's what you're looking for, have I got a site for you!

It's my first read after TMR every morning - eye-opening.

Check-out the current front page for an example...

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Talk about, umm, irreverant.
Pretty good, Doc, and on my favorites now...

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Jaded's picture

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

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What we do in life, echoes in eternity...
-Maximus Decimus Meridius

c17wife's picture

we ain't no trash!
But I did get to say what I really feel about Scotty Benedict at HP and it felt, um, REALLY GOOD!!!

aceintx's picture

It would be a lot of fun any way...and at least we'd have guys over here who aren't afraid to stand up for themselves...or be so small as to think being a Mod gives them a monopoly on truth!

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c17wife's picture

Maybe rough and tumble, but definitely not trash.
Seriously, different sites, different purposes. RS has to be more PC. We tell it like it is here. Truth to power and all that jazz. Heh.
Doc j made me come. :>)

Jaded's picture

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

maybe cast aways is a better term...I would look at it as a term of honor

:>)

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DocJ's picture

Great to have you here in the land of "truth to power!" (Love that, by the way.)

Agreed - different sites, different (and sometimes VASTLY different) purposes. It's why I simply stay away from RS posting/commenting wholesale unless I have something very specific (like the Ogonowski story from last night) that I think might be of interest to the RS community. But then it's back to Radio Silence for docj @ RS.

Keeps my account, erm, alive longer.

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David Hinz's picture

I didn't realize that it didn't take signatures or logos.

When my hard drive died a few weeks ago, I lost my link to the beta site.

Neil Stevens's picture

But images are stripped out of the signatures.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

David Hinz's picture

why my old sig, with the image link to the OLD Hinzsight Report didn't work over there.

RS is hard to quit, for sure. I've found myself posting there a couple of times despite swearing never to again.
It has become a bit of an echo chamber, but they are simply sticking to the mission statement of being a Republican site. I don't blame them, and I just have a lot less in common with the site these days. I made my point, they made theirs, and I had to remember I was a guest that might have overstayed.

It was definitely fun, though. Reading a little of the thread it seems as though gator should have gotten a little time off too, though.

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I keep earing it's a "Republican Site" as if I'm not a @$%&ing Republican. As if the Moderators over there have a monopoly on what a Republican is! Frankly I'm sick of it!

I'm every bit as Republican as anyone there I just have a different view of what the Party needs to do and where it needs to go doesn't make me any less of one!

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c17wife's picture

I swore I woudl never go back after Jeff posted that Fred post-mortem while the body was still warm. Especially given the taunting and such we received from one such girl who shall not be named here. I WAS furious.
But, I am an addict. What can I say?
Glad to see you here. You were one of my early favorites.

It IS like crack. Sort of like your posts. And yeast rolls.

So I am only one of your "early" favorites? It was that whole McCain thing, wasn't it?

c17wife's picture

and I'm always a sucker for them.
McCain thing, not so much. But I'm getting there.

I don't think you know what that means ace. Just like your little swipes at McCain supporters needing to get their heads out of their a$$es, and you were shocked, suprised, and not responsible for the comment wars in your blog.

Do you think gator was being divisive?

Your banner at Redstate is an irritant to more people than just gator, and you well know it. It's been argued many times. Your proclamation that it's non-negotiable tells me you know very well it stirs up trouble, but you are just too darn sure you're right to give a darn.

After pleading on your behalf, c17wife makes a sincere overture that you try to get along with your fellows, and you throw it in her face twice. Classy.

I keep trying to like you ace. You sure make it hard.

Ace may have gone over the top (I really haven't followed his posts), but every time I want to vote for McCain (like after reading something reasonable that c17 posts), some moderate, preening horse's a$$ comes along to make me swear never , ever to do it under any circumstance (LOYALTY! LOYALTY!). Maybe you should read a few of those posts with the same level of discernment.

If you wanna talk about an irritant, that sure as hell irritated me.

Jaded's picture

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Brian Simpson's picture
You are attacking one of the good guys at RedState (amongst many others). Caleb has been more than fair with a lot of people. Don't pigeon hole him with some of the others.


Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

I think maybe I have him confused with someone else (maybe their name started with an A - not sure), and I am not going to hazard a guess at who they were. I have forgotten, really.

Anyway, if so, sorry. My broader point still stands.

... then I missed it. I didn't read it that way so please don't make such uncalled for apology.

It seems to me you said that people jumping in on the attack are quite annoying. I didn't take that any particular way. People jumping in on the attack are quite annoying. That's what is so annoying about a signature that starts up such attacks over and over and over.

And over.

and over. and over. It's very annoying indeed.

And I understand that you are coming from the perspective of putting out the widlfires that start up.

My point is that if ace's sig is irritating to McCain supporters, and I have no doubt that it is, then I wanted to point out that the tone of many pro McCain posters (PRIOR to the signature issue) to those that had genuine problems with McCain for very good, well documented, decade old reasons is also very, very, very annoying, and out of bounds most of the time. As a matter of fact, I would put the gator person in that category, based on what I have read of his posts. It could very well be a chicken and egg argument at this point, but I left before the signature thing became a really hot issue.

The opinion of many people at RS, including some of the mods, was that the only reason we had problems with McCain was that our guy had not won the primary and we were just sore losers. Nothing could be further from the truth, at least as far as I am concerned.

Be that as it may, and as I posted at RS, the nominee has been decided, and that is that. RS started as a Republican site, and that is also that. After that point, I made the decision to leave the Republican Party after a few decades, and to do my very best to leave RS (it is hard to quit ya'll, though). I had, and have, no desire to continue the debate regarding McCain on RS (or really even here, for that matter), even though a lot of the things I read make me mad. I could very well have been baited into a bad position had I continued on.

Anyway, that's the way I see it.

David Hinz's picture

you can disagree and fight with each other, and not stay mad. Neil and I went a couple rounds one day, and the ugly trolls all got hot and happy, only to have us tell them, shut up, its over :-)

Caleb disagrees with some of us who are less than thrilled with Sen McCain. That is his right. <sigh> Admit it guys and dolls -- we will all end up voting for the guy because the alternative does NOT BEAR THINKING ABOUT!

... trolls that day. So actually, kudos all around!

aceintx's picture

others, I have no personal animosity towards him at all but I'll tell him when I think he's wrong and I'd expect no less from him!

I agree hes a good guy but I don't agree with him on this point

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c17wife's picture

I pink puffy heart Caleb, especially when he photoshops. And he is not a half bad writer either. :>)
He's a good weapon to have ON OUR SIDE!!!
He and GC are going to keep NC RED.

aceintx's picture

I said I'm sorry but...Some times you just have to agree to disagree... I respect C17 and am very greatfull to her for working on my behalf...I've said it a bunch and will reiterate it here so she'll understand!

As to the comment you refferenced, it was one comment in a post that could be a whole chapter in a book in the first place, and in the second place my exact comment was:

Quote:
After that I’m thinking that if the McCain people aren’t considering Pence for VP, I want to know why not and how long will it take to pull their heads out!

Meaning they should be considering him and if they're not thay need there head examined? I don't recall using the word a$$ anywhere so if you quote me and then attack me for what I said...maybe you should make sure you quote me right!
CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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Brian Simpson's picture
BG5 wasn't worth it.

And I wouldn't expect to get reinstated. Seems you don't have too many fans amongst some of the higher ups over there.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
aceintx's picture

if that's the case...my only beef if I'm not reinstated is if BG5 is allowed to stay since he's the one thats been on my ass for 2 or three months now!

I'd say I won't be either because not only did they ban me, from what I can tell, my post is gone from the Recommended board and my diary is probably gone as well

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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Brian Simpson's picture
You won't be able to access the list of your diaries, but you will be able to link directly to them.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
David Hinz's picture

I bet you never thought you'd here ME say that, didja?

aceintx's picture

the upside down banner thing was your idea...I just ran with it ROFL

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David Hinz's picture

on more than one occasion. LilCroc periodically threatens to leave, then comes back and attacks people he disagrees with.

He either has photos of the Mods in bed with a live farm animal or a dead boy.

Jaded's picture

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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David Hinz's picture

Lord_Vegas is my dog. He was hoping that you would post your Tale of Two Cities post over here. :-)

aceintx's picture

I thought that was what was referred to but I'm glad he was looking for it.

BTW...From what I caught from another post earlier...am I to assume that's a lurker name for someone special?

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aceintx's picture

Vegas is that someone special I mentioned who is actually your dog?

I see master....maybe I wil yet catch the pebbles from your hand!

:>)

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Jaded's picture

I don't think you saw Leon's post to stop and the minute I saw your post I knew it was over....I hope they recognize that as well.....I will be looking for what you have to say here and if you come back to Redstate there as well. I appreciate your passion for conservatism and with people like you across this country we will damn well take this party back.

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c17wife's picture

appeal. RS is painfully slow today, so the timing sucked.

Jaded's picture

it was so obvious if they look at how he answered the idiot one last time and than responded to Leon.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

Had he closed the thread like he said he was told to...I'd not have made that last slam and all would be well...but instead Leon got to puff himself up with his comment about not closing it so he could have the pleasure or whatever it was he said of banning the next idiot that dared to post.

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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c17wife's picture

regarding that bravado to myself.

aceintx's picture

currently cussing under my breath and throwing the F bomb around...I'm a Christian and don't do that normally but there it is.

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c17wife's picture

agreement.
And that is all I have to say about that.~Forrest Gump

aceintx's picture

what I said if you're of a mind to.

It's BS that I was banned because he didn't close the thread instead of leaving a steaming pile of crap for me to step in and I would tell him that to his face if I had a chance!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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c17wife's picture

what I mean.

aceintx's picture

thanks for the appeal

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CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
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Jaded's picture

stand for?

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

since you posted this and I'm drawing a blank right now...I'm too pissed....but something will come to me....Maybe it should just be ILK...like those the Republican Party seems to be ashamed of...LOL

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Jaded's picture

cannot come up with something for K....perhaps Killer-Conservatives :-) I don't know but it's fun to mess around with.

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David Hinz's picture

n/t

Jaded's picture

into the K if you know what I mean ;-)

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

David Hinz's picture

might as well throw it in their faces.

aceintx's picture

when I looked up and saw your post...LOL

Great minds and alal that ya know!

:>)

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Steve Foley's picture

...at RS is one of the reasons I've been staying away from there of late!

It's a shame really being that I've been a part of that community for almost 3 years now!

You're always welcome here

aceintx's picture

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David Hinz's picture

I would have to say that the future is dim.

Apparently I missed all the fireworks today -- damn that day job! ;-)

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Brian Simpson's picture
I wonder how many of the recent entrants realize it was you though?
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David Hinz's picture

I stepped away from the computer for a minute and the darn dog was on the computer.

c17wife's picture

Shhh....it's a secret.

I was sorry to see that happen. As people have mentioned here, there seem to have been a number of mitigating circumstances. I hope you can work it out.

But if not, I'll look forward to checking out what you have to say over here. I've been lurking over here lately, anyhow. It's nice to see all these familiar faces... or names, at least. :)

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He's pretty reasonable and if enough of us point out the hypocrisy, he might give Ace a break, or take Gator and his pompous attitude out of there.

I'll do that. I didn't imagine that I could have any sway in comparison to the legendary powers of c17wife and Jaded, but I'm happy to give it a shot.

aceintx's picture

Truth be told, When that thread kept going on and on I kept thinking to myself...How long are the Mods going to let this go....it's why I kept saying I was getting out...but when Gator kept going I just let er rip.

I can't help but go back to all the times Adam, Neil or Moe threatened to Ban me because I was being "disruptive" to the site.

Yet all the posts I made chronicling Gator's continual posts singling me out and the case I made over and over were ignored by the Mods...

I can't stand hypocrisy and the more I think about it the less I care whether I'll ever post over there or not!

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Troublemakers with a capital "T".

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"Hmm...I wonder what aceintx would say to that" all over the place...particularly after every one of Gator's posts...LOL

I know it's bad form to give suggestions that you guys use to defend me...but it's funny...

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because he's spamming my email from Red State now...I'm collecting the emails and will send them to Erick when he gives me enough to hoist him on his own Petard!

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c17wife's picture

In the meantime, turn off your e-mail on the contact, if you want, then block him as SPAM.
How low class.

aceintx's picture

post...LOL...I doubt Gator will read it but i's fun to read...

BTW..I still can't log in

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David Hinz's picture

Now then, even though we are gathered together here for a solumn occasion, the banning of a fellow poster -- isn't this actually fun?

I mean, how about we get EVERYONE posting here -- I see quite a few new posts just today -- and commenting on some of them as well. There is some good stuff here guys and dolls!

Did you read the post by Jack Savage "The Witch is NOT dead - merely resting?"

I mean, this is NOT THE ISLAND OF MISFIT TOYS!

DocJ's picture

Perhaps we could all change our user names to match the toys found by King Moonracer. I, for one, would like dibs on Grape Jelly Pistol - ummmm, Grape Jelly!

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crap it lasted all of like a week and people started going back to Redstate and I would log on and see no one had anything to say for hours....believe me I was checking at work to. If we all agree that at least 2 times a day we will come on by and have something to add either in the comments or to create content....I think you got something great over here and it's nice not to have to think about "offending" someone because McCain has said something stupid....I mean we should be able to still call him out on his stupidity....it's still America. What say everyone?

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David Hinz's picture

Either for TMR or The Hinzsight Report (CHEAP PLUG)... nothing last night I know, but it was the aftermath of that D*** three overtime loss by my beloved Wings the night before (I crashed when I got home -- something about 3 hours of sleep)

FTR I try to post interesting news on THSR and Opinion pieces on TMR.

OH, by the way, FEIGER beat the feds on that FEC case, so I guess that means trial lawyers can continue to contribute unlimited funds to Dem candidates.

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Can youy explain that please?

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David Hinz's picture

oh, wait that's not the one.

About two years ago both sites were born. Gordon Taylor and I started The Hinzsight Report and Steve Foley started The Minority Report. Steve and a handful of rugged individuals that we chose, could post on THSR, and Gordo and I could post on TMR. We had similar goals.

I saw THSR as a Citizen Journalism site -- that is more of a news site, reporting the kind of stories that the MSM refuse to cover.. Ideally, while we were mostly bloggers, the idea was to blend news with conservative opinion .

Steve wanted a site to express conservative ideas and principles to build back to a conservative Majority.

From the very beginning, THSR and TMR have been "sister" sites, and in fact, we have been guests on Steve's server right from the start.

Over the last couple of years we have talked from time to time about combining our efforts. We at THSR went through a dormant stage about a year ago, for a couple of months, and it cost us some of our readership and some of our writers.

When we got hacked TWICE a few weeks ago by Palestians, we got up again and Steve and I had a LONG talk -- and we decided to combine the two sites. Anyone trying to access the OLD THSR site gets directed here, and all new content is here. The old archives have not yet been moved over, but eventually they will be.

We think this is a good fit for all of us.

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I was always dissapointed to not be able to get a conversation going...I gues BG% serves a purpose...like a mouse for the cat to play with before the Cat ceushes it's skull...LOL

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