Will Obama's voice turn Chambliss out?

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Mike DeVine TMR Legal Editor [Formerly legal editor for The (Decatur, GA) Champion]

The red clay of Georgia (pictured)

Fifty-eight and counting for the Democratic Party in the United States Senate, and should incumbent Republican Saxby Chambliss lose to Jim Martin on this Tuesday’s run-off election, only one Republican vote would be required to invoke cloture to end filibusters.

A President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress would have a blank check to enact most all of their legislative dreams of the past forty years, and, given the economic crisis, pass it all off as “stimulus” no matter how fundamental the changes the new laws may effect.

This column is an update to our front pager last week which suggested that Jim Martin was on his own, as far as getting any personal help on the ground from the President-Elect.

It remains the case that Obama will not take the “Coverdell” challenge and repeat the mistake made by then President-Elect Bill Clinton in his 1992 appearances in a previous Peach State run-off when Republican Paul Coverdell defeated then incumbent Democrat Wyche Fowler.

The Voice

However, Obama did make a radio ad touting Martin as favoring his legislative agenda; Donna Brazile reported on ABC’s This Week Sunday show that all 20+ Obama campaign offices remain open; and that Obama supporters in adjoining states have been encouraged by text message to come help turn out the vote.

So, turnout matters in run-offs, too?

Yes, we finally heard, forty-eight hours before the vote, that yes, turnout matters. DeVine Law has yet to hear an explanation from an “expert” as to how turnout would ever not matter (unless an election is fixed).

Turnout means votes. We decide elections on actual votes, hence, every winner of every election is the one who had more voters turn out for them.

As if.

Gamecock also learned since our last report that Martin has raised and spent more money than Chambliss. The Drive-By dead-tree Media article tries to hide this fact by headlining the supposed ominous news that the Republican raised more money from large donors, but for those Americans that can still do math, the facts are discernible.

Finally, more information from our Astute Political Observer (APO) on the ground somewhere between Douglas and Decatur:

Many Georgia Democrats remain animated to vote against Saxby based on his TV ads (that included an image of Osama bin Laden) six years ago against then incumbent Democrat Max Cleland, especially given Chambliss’ reported student and medical deferments during the Vietnam War. Cleland is a triple amputee due to injuries suffered while serving in that war.

We are also advised that deaths of children abused while under the supervision of the Department of Human Resources (DFCS pronounced dee-fax) while Martin was commissioner have been used by some of his political opponents. Ads have also reported a Martin vote for a “whopping” 30+% tax increase amendment that never became law.

As an attorney that has defended parents as their lawyer and children as Guardian ad Litem before the DFCS equivalent in South Carolina, I never could point to a case where the commissioner was in any way at fault for the errors of case workers.

The tax increase Martin voted for was one cent on the sales tax.

There are many reasons to vote against Martin, but those two are not among them.

Given new data, especially including the news from our APO near the City too Busy to Hate, we have to temper, but not withdraw, our view that Chambliss should pull this election out and keep the state as red as the clay.

Polls show that black turnout (which went 95+% for Martin) will be up to 30% lower than their percentage on Election Day.

The best reasons for voting against Martin were mentioned above: He will be a rubber stamp for the Obama agenda. That will drive GOP turnout and the argument for divided government may persuade some Democrats to pause.

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson

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DocJ's picture

Granted that it's a special election, still it's hard to think that Chambliss could underperform McCain so badly as to not carry the seat in a 1-on-1 race - especially considering what's on the line.

Leads me to think that if he does go down he probably had it coming.

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Astute Political Observer's picture

And so it is...

The one-issue voters in Georgia need to take a look at not just who represents them (Call him Saxby) but also IF these people are remotely effective at changing the rule of law to suit their needs for that one issue.

I won't belabor the gun thing. The Lawyer might find some way to get to the ATL and blow my head off!

[Please bear with me. I do have a salient point following the research below. You should also know that I am no newbie to the world of the Georgia Legislature. I was paid for five years to prepare material like that below.]

What I've been musing about the state of abortion legislation in Georgia. When the Rs took control of the state house and senate as well as the governor's office faces beamed because the one issue was finally to be decided. Here's what happened: An abysmal 25 of more than 125 bills concerning abortion dropped since the 95-96 Session (they serve two-year sessions) of the Georgia General Assembly came since Georgia turned red. Of those, only two have passed since then, one about ultrasounds and other about what doctors have to tell their patients about abortion.

No complete parental consent to get one for those less than 18. The Partial Birth Abortion ban, the legislation with the real teeth passed when the Dems still roamed all of Georgia (97-98).

So I am planning to tell my friends: "You vote for these people because the Republican Party has a better pro-life record than the Democrats. It's time for you to become jaded just like I am. Stop being True Believers! They are taking your votes and running them but not in the direction you want them to. Based on their legislation, it's clear that all they worry about is eating doughnuts and drinking coffee on the floor of the Georgia House" (disclaimer: My friend who serves in the House rants about that all of the time).

Y'all vote for Saxby on the one-issue thing or on every issue. He's a Rat B****** from Georgia who votes his way AND the highway, forget what the State of Georgia needs or wants. (Lawyer: isn't is your view that even low-life scum suckers can serve in Congress as long as they vote right?).

Steve Foley's picture

...come into our house using user names like "Astute Political Observer" and then proceed to prove they're anything but. An Astute Political Observer would have laid out a case against Saxby based on record and not convoluted and hobbled together a barely comprehensible diatribe on the Georgia legislature which has absolutely nothing to do with this election.

By the way the use of "Repubs" is not looked on kindly here so use R's or Republicans that is you first and final warning!!!

gamecock's picture

jar on Funk and Wagnall’s porch. I dubbed the Llama on the ground in Jawja, APO and Steve, I, a rabid right wing convert repub, use the terms “repub” and “repubs” as an abbreviation all the time to save time (same with Dems). There is only so much time in the day. Abbreviations can help one make the time to return e-mails in a more timely manner (hint!). Love ya guy.

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Steve Foley's picture

you of all people should know how this works, one has to establish credibility and earn respect before given leeway on such things. This is exactly what lefty trolls do and my action and warning are completely justified. Maintaining and moderating this site is my responsibility and I take it very seriously.

Look, if my warning is respected we don't have a problem. We've had many liberals respectfully post here and follow the rules over the last couple of years APO is welcome to do so as well.

gamecock's picture

Honestly, I don’t know how it works, but don’t blame you for my mis-understanding.

I have never been able discern any rhyme or reason to the whole “troll” blamming thing at Redstate and not this threat. I have seen people not blammed for things that even I might blam for, and my threshold is very high and seen people blammed, including me twice at Redstate for nothing.

Truly, I must have a mental block on this issue given that I have been a daily blogger for 5+years. I did make many comments below that I deemed sufficient responses, but that is just me.

This is the first time I have even seen a blam threat here. This is the first disagreement I have ever had with you and my respect for you is so high that I must needs defer.

Still luv ya guy but I wish someone would write a book on trolls one day….until them the rooster walks on eggshells….smile

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Steve Foley's picture

This is a minor incident in my opinion and no one I know of threatened to ban anyone!!! My warning was just that, a warning to tread lightly.

This site, a conservative community blog and not a Left vs. Right debate site, does attract lefties who just want to poo on the carpet and leave. We, being long time practitioners and overseers, have become acutely aware of certain behaviors exhibited by such interlopers and act accordingly! Since this is apparently not the case with APO everything should be fine going forward.

Your recommendation goes a long way here so APO is welcome to continue to post here as long as basic etiquette is followed... we're cool.

Btw - here is a link to the RULES page which can also be found on the menu bar at the top of the page. :0)

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gamecock's picture

critters are glorified yes/no voters, most of which votes are pretty simple. Beats direct democracy what with work needing to get done and all.

I would say that most of us that support Saxby do so for many reasons other than the life issue, but you do make a good case for the proposition that Southern and esp Georgia democrats are a much different animal, esp in the State House, than those Martin would have to answer to in Dingy Harry Reid and Chuck-you Schumer (the sweet nickname Rush gave Hillary’s senior senator).

In fact you make such a good case that I consider you THE APO in Jawja!

But I suspect that Martin wouldn’t disagree with Reid and Pelosi all that much, or am I wrong?

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Astute Political Observer's picture

I went to high school in the same town Max Cleland is from. He is a decent man from a good family.

Saxby should be through out of the race as a student-deferment coward after what he did to star-winning Max.

I think members of Congress should have at least one moral fiber. Saxby has none. OK, he was able to borrow Cheney's.

Knight_of_the_Mind's picture

I went to the same high school as a lot of people. The place was opened sometime in the early 1920s. It proves nothing and does zero to enhance your credentials.

I think what Saxby Chambliss did to star-winning Max was kick his sorry butt in a senatorial election.

As for Congressional eviction due to moral fiber, I think Jefferson, Rangel, Dodd, Kennedy, Biden and many others should walk the plank long before Saxby Chambliss.

Replacing 401k's will be the Obama Hotel CA retirement package...
You can check out any time you like, but you can't afford to leave!

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Lord Vegas's picture

as Tony Dungy -- does that mean I should be allowed to coach in the Super Bowl?

*Granted it was Obedience School -- and I flunked, but the principle remains the same.

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Alpo

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Jaded's picture

He is the best damn VP that a President could have....he took all the heat while the President was able to continue his job at winning the War in Iraq.

Now on Chambliss that jackanapes voted for the AMNESTY bill so other than not getting a super majority I can think of no other use for him.

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy & does not destroy him is his own enemy

Astute Political Observer's picture

Obama Llama: Head back down to Peru where you can put your head in the clouds--for real.

You know nothing of my credentials. I've been working on high level political campaigns in Georgia for almost 25 years. In that time, NO candidate I have worked with has lost. NONE. Let me repeat, you may not agree with my politics, but a whole lot of people in Georgia clearly do.

You want to know my credentials? Why don't you go ask the doormen at the Georgia House of Representatives or Georgia Senate if they know my name. After many years working the floor as a member of the media in Atlanta, I can tell you, they KNOW my name.

What about yours?

Grow up, get a life and speak clearly and plainly about what's going on in this country. It might help to get your foot--or hoof--out of your mouth. You have no idea what you're talking about in terms of what goes on in the great State of Georgia.

Astute Political Observer's picture

You should read the lawyer's articles closer. The Astute Political Observer he references is me.

I think you owe me an apology and Devine the respect of reading his material a little more closely.

Astute Political Observer's picture

I hope the folks blogging here are from Georgia...

Lord Vegas's picture

the problem is you don't appear to know how to be polite..

If you want to debate -- wonderful -- debate, but the attitude could use a makeover.

I KNOW you don't frequent DKos, but you are starting out like one of their own...

Astute Political Observer's picture

Heard all'a'y'all. I'll take a verse out of the playbook of my Lord and Savior (no cheap shots about my Christianity, please) and be more forgiving in this carefully crafted Land of Dialogue. My mistake. I prefer my political discourse a bit livelier.

P.S. I know Mike better than you give me credit for. At least, he'll argue the point (and made me a better debater along the way!). God bless.

DocJ's picture

... we do get a fair number of trolls from time to time (they seem to swarm in for a day or two and then leave us alone for a while) - and you were dropping a couple of, let's just say, well-worn lines that raised a few hackles.

I had a feeling you were the APO to whom Mike alluded - but you have to admit your rant about the GA legislature really didn't tie-in to Chambliss at all and that's usually a quick-time tip-off that we're dealing with a troll. Sorry - but it is what it is.

And hey - Opus Dei Catholic here, so absolutely no need to concern yourself with cheap shots about The Lord in these parts. So feel free to stick around - we're not quite as stuffy as Vegas may have led you to believe.

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Lord Vegas's picture

its leftist sites that take cheap shots at your religion.

Any friend of Mikes is welcome here... even the liberal ones.

gamecock's picture

in a corner in the fetal position after a rooster crowing, the pummeling makes them stronger, even if we can’t improve upon the beauty!

I would make one final comment in this debate between my closest friends. The astuteness of the APO may have been largely attained via experience, but the evidence of same is best communicated in the raw, as it was to me in preparation for this column and the one that preceded it, rather than ensconced in biography, as impressive as it admittedly is.

Of course, as a lawyer, I reserve the right to toss my phi beta kappa, summa cum laude and juris doctor into the gamecock fighting pit whenever I feel I am losing the jury, but that’s just me.

The best arguments against Saxby are those that point to his seemingly politically expedient chumminess with Dems on oil drilling and was it the gang of 14? Sax has had to back off twice from moderation when called on it by the likes of Rush, gamecocks and Inhofes.

APO’s insights into continuing Dem Party grievance for Cleland and the puny arguments against Martin were invaluable. I would say that I have not heard much in the way of positive enthusiasm for Martin, who appears to be a bit emasculated, as are many such Dems in the South.

Not so APO! God spews the lukewarm like Martin, and in some ways even Chambliss, but not the hot and cold like DeVine and Llama. Rev 3:16

Now, co-owner Steve did post a rather substantive column against Martin here

I am going to re-read it and express my thoughts on it in a lawyerly rooster kind of way and would love for APO to weigh in.

The fact is APO, that Steve is quite an APO himself, esp given the land of fruit and nuts from whence he astutes!

DeVine, the repub, send his love to you all.

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gamecock's picture

except Eve and me

Eve, which one of us named Cain?

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gamecock's picture

It was the time we faced an opponent!

smile

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Astute Political Observer's picture

DeVine: I'll, of course, forgive you for outing me for having a best friend on her fifth term who has only actually had to run twice, but ask her decapitated opponents about it. Let's talk offline about the other dozen ;-)

Nobody needs to worry about my being a troll. That kind of "gotcha" behavior requires a rhetorical cowardice that I choose not to embrace. I spent too many years on the beat to have any respect for anyone who won't stand up as himself or herself to scrutiny.

I hope that mitigates the über-controversy I had no idea would happen yesterday.

Back to my herbal tea, Simon and Garfunkle albums and tie dye...

APOllama, out.

gamecock's picture

the competition. Good move APO. You can go far here.

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